I can't post on http://jorhett.livejournal.com/373855.h tml . However.
The DAMNED will-this-stupid-Energizer -Bunny-Bad-Idea-please-DIE-already- can't-the-proponents-even-go-one-damned-y ear- without-popping-it-up-AGAIN-as-a-motion YA Hugo proposal is the issue. It is NOT "White Male Shuts Down Female." It is "would this damned thing STOP coming up every year when it is the overwhelming sentiment of more than 2/3rds of the people at the Worldcon Business Meeting, year after year after year, that this is a BAD idea, and those who keep bringing it up, are wasting everyone's time and energy with an ill-conceived, unworkable apparently ideologically-based wrong-headed crusade which they refuse to let go of and refuse to consider the opinions and -experience- of other people regarding the merit/workability/value."
I seem to recall that there was years ago an attempt to try out a YA Hugo, and that the nominations made failed to meet the criteria to get anything on the final ballot (that is, enough works given enough nominations for there to be from four to six works to list on the final ballot) More recently, there is the issue of how to define YA, who is competent/knowledgeable to vote--the Worldcon does -not- hve age limits on Hugo voting! --and the problem that if something got nominated for YA it would not be eligible for the non-age-group-limited Hugo... Somehow I don't think e.g. Neil Gaiman would have been happier with a YA Hugo than the Hugo he did get, and one of the Harry POtter novels got a Best Novel Hugo.
The proponents of the damned thing, again, keep making motions year after year after year pushing the thing. Crusades get ANNOYING. Every year, the response is "Object to Consideration" and by margins of at least 2:1, the matter gets tossed out, every year. One might think the proponents would Get A Clue, and perhaps focus on if they really want YA awards, doing what other people have been doing and setting up their own? There are the Sideways Awards for Alternate History, there are the Chesleys for science fiction and fantasy art, there are the Pegasus Awards for filk... there are dozens of blogs and websites and discussion forums and conventions which all give out awards, so those people who are so demanding for YA awards, go set up your OWN, dammit!
(Note, I am not at the Worldcon this year.
The DAMNED will-this-stupid-Energizer -Bunny-Bad-Idea-please-DIE-already- can't-the-proponents-even-go-one-damned-y
I seem to recall that there was years ago an attempt to try out a YA Hugo, and that the nominations made failed to meet the criteria to get anything on the final ballot (that is, enough works given enough nominations for there to be from four to six works to list on the final ballot) More recently, there is the issue of how to define YA, who is competent/knowledgeable to vote--the Worldcon does -not- hve age limits on Hugo voting! --and the problem that if something got nominated for YA it would not be eligible for the non-age-group-limited Hugo... Somehow I don't think e.g. Neil Gaiman would have been happier with a YA Hugo than the Hugo he did get, and one of the Harry POtter novels got a Best Novel Hugo.
The proponents of the damned thing, again, keep making motions year after year after year pushing the thing. Crusades get ANNOYING. Every year, the response is "Object to Consideration" and by margins of at least 2:1, the matter gets tossed out, every year. One might think the proponents would Get A Clue, and perhaps focus on if they really want YA awards, doing what other people have been doing and setting up their own? There are the Sideways Awards for Alternate History, there are the Chesleys for science fiction and fantasy art, there are the Pegasus Awards for filk... there are dozens of blogs and websites and discussion forums and conventions which all give out awards, so those people who are so demanding for YA awards, go set up your OWN, dammit!
(Note, I am not at the Worldcon this year.
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